web bennu

[mz]

Holas...

Hace más de un año hice un sitio copiando el diseño del foro de Bennu: http://www.bennugames.com.ar/ (Nunca lo terminé, lo abandoné por el poco interés que hubo en los foros de Fenix y porque comencé a trabajar en otras cosas... Creo que ni siquiera se ve bien en IE. :P)

Creo que sería interesante tener el sitio oficial de Bennu con un diseño así de similar al foro y todo eso. También, creo que sería bueno hacer un sitio/base de datos como mi sitio, donde se puedan encontrar fácilmente todos los juegos que se han hecho con el lenguaje; con sus screenshots, reviews y todo eso.

Si a alguien más le interesa, a mí me encantaría poder ayudar con eso.

[blostec]

Hola mz, bienvenido. Es una buena idea, en principio la web de Bennu ya tiene un espacio dedicado a mostrar los juegos hechos con Bennu en el apartado de "proyectos", pero no estaría de más una web como la tuya. Esta muy bien, solo hay que cambiar el contenido pues ahora allí sólo se muestran juegos hechos con Fenix. Si quieres puedo ayudarte a añadir contenido con información de juegos Bennu. Saludos!

karma up por la iniciativa!  :D

 

[SplinterGU]

creo que cuantas mas paginas de bennu existan mejor...
si, karma up...

recuerdo la pagina, no se como se califica en esa pagina los juegos, pero estaria bueno que sea un sistema de votacion donde los usuarios puedan hacerlo...

[mz]

Creo que a mi web habría que cambiarle un montón de cosas :P (hacer la votación más sencilla, por ejemplo). Y lo ideal (para mí, digo :P) sería tener una base de datos como ésa en la página oficial misma de Bennu.

Creo que el mejor ejemplo de todo esto es el sitio de GameMaker: http://www.yoyogames.com/ . Sería genial tener una comunidad como ésa para Bennu en el mismo sitio oficial.

[Sandman]

Yeeeeees! This is great stuff! Although, maybe we should consider faster hosting if we are to do all this. The wiki is already not so fast for me.

About the front page: your idea is a good one, to have a list of highlighted stuff, but I don't see it fitting for a front page. Perhaps in a small list, but not as the main item on the front page and especially not in the *news* section, because people subscribed to the RSS feed of the news will expect news. What I see as a front page is a quick way of finding things, amongst would be the page you describe. Your page can get very large very quickly (well I assume you don't delete entries, because it's news) and actually is better of being categorised if it's that big, so the best place for it is on the wiki itself. Don't get me wrong, hmmm, you know, I will just list where I see the money:

- Front page: brief intro to what Bennu is, documentation links (should fit on 1 page) including a link to the page you described (so not the actual tutorials), maybe add an explicit link to the download section.
- About Bennu page: about Bennu, in more detail.
your page would be on the wiki: probably the main tutorial page or something
- Download page: detailed download page including previous releases and details on how to get it to work (like what external libraries you need).

Of course I didn't mean the news to be only news releases, but anything else interesting and related to Bennu. Like what? No idea! :) Module news is great too. For example I would like to know when a 3D module will be released, so I will watch the RSS feed of the news. I don't watch the RSS feed to read about how to start coding in Bennu.

[Foni]

Personalmente, el que este exclusivamente en inglés me parece cuanto menos, un fallo. Me parece correcto que exista una versión en ingles, incluso podria aceptar que fuera la página por defecto. Pero que no haya una página en castellano me parece un fallo.

Yo por suerte domino bien el ingles, pero no es igual de cómodo a la larga, o al menos para mi, leer en ingles que en castellano.Una de las cosas buenas que tenemos en una comunidad en castellano bastante grande, y me parece que no contar con ellos (hay mucha mas gente de la que podemos creer que no entiende absolutamente nada de ingles)

[Sandman]

There is not just a large Spanish user base, this forum is almost entirely Spanish; in fact, I think it's entirely Spanish besides me (counting active people). If we want Bennu to be more used internationally, we need to cater Bennu internationally. And internationally means English nowadays.
This doesn't mean the Spanish should get shut out, not at all. All that is important, is that the "official" important stuff (like this topic, like talk about suggestions and the main site) is in English, so it is available to a lot more people and more people can join or follow the discussion. Because if I did not take the effort of translating every post here, trying to find out what people say, I would not be part of the discussion and this holds for every non-Spanish user. There are not many non-Spanish now, but if we cater in English, more will come.

[izubiaurre]

There is not just a large Spanish user base, this forum is almost entirely Spanish; in fact, I think it's entirely Spanish besides me (counting active people). If we want Bennu to be more used internationally, we need to cater Bennu internationally. And internationally means English nowadays.
This doesn't mean the Spanish should get shut out, not at all. All that is important, is that the "official" important stuff (like this topic, like talk about suggestions and the main site) is in English, so it is available to a lot more people and more people can join or follow the discussion. Because if I did not take the effort of translating every post here, trying to find out what people say, I would not be part of the discussion and this holds for every non-Spanish user. There are not many non-Spanish now, but if we cater in English, more will come.

Truth.

Nos guste o no, el inglés es la lengua internacional. Y no creo que sea cómodo estar traduciendo todos los posts originales en inglés al castellano. Probablemente al principio sí que se haría, pero luego, se dejaría de hacer. Lo he visto muchas veces.

[Foni]

You are on the right, but i think spanish community must still be supported cause the main of community actually are spanish-speakers.

We should raise community introducing english on boards, main page and wiki, but we also can loose part of it with the only-spanish speakers.

[SplinterGU]

En estos momentos la comunidad Bennu/Fenix esta principalmente compuesta por gente de habla hispana, por mas que querramos (aspiremos a...) internacionalizarlo no podemos auyentar a los pocos usuarios que actualmente hay del producto... no podemos olvidarnos de ellos... y ademas, tampoco podemos olvidar que recien comenzamos y hay mucha gente que todavia no se atreve a pasarse a Bennu y permanece en Fenix (o se va a otros productos), tenemos que atraerlos no auyentarlos...
Luego, con una comunidad bien formada, con mas gente capacitada en la herramienta, nos enfocamos mas en la internacionalizacion del site.
Si nos vamos de lleno al ingles, y dejamos un poco de lado el español, nada asegura que ganemos gente de habla no-hispana... pero posiblemente asegure que perdamos gran cantidad de los actuales usuarios.

Eso creo yo...

[Sandman]

If Drupal supports multiple languages, then by all means, add multiple languages, but the problem with this is that when one language gets updated, others have to be updated too and in practice, no one does this. So we would end up with a great Spanish site (because everyone here is Spanish) and the English one is not so great. Compare the English and Spanish forums: the Spanish one contains all the action: logo3D, bennu3D, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to enforce people to use English for their projects or topics, all I am asking is that the official stuff is in English, so everyone can take part. With official stuff I mean the administration of this forum, of the wiki and of the site (thus including this topic, because it's about 'administration'). The wiki is in English and will remain that way. I don't know how to make it multilingual, but I could look that up if really wanted and needed. A very obvious disadvantage of a multilingual wiki, is that some languages could have better documentation than others. And if it's all in English, everyone has access to it and if you can't read it... well you always have google translate.

But ehm, I think we understand each other, so we'd better get to work now. ;)

[SplinterGU]

Yes, English, but don't forget Spanish...

[Foni]

I think wiki on english is right. Wiki multilingual is too much work and hard to get updated at same time.

Anyway official documentation about how bennu works must be on spanish too.

Another issue:

what is bennu? section i think is not correctly designed. I think this section is what newcomers will click first. And newcomers searching for a new way to develop games will not get a clear idea. i mean, "Bennu, a Fenix fork from Fenix 0.93" this for a newcomer that doesnt come from fenix means "ohm, and what is fenix?" and google-search-fenix 0.93. Maybe newcomers see clearest on google than still navigating on bennu´s  page and finnaly decides to continue "googling"

I think this What is bennu? link  must describe What is Bennu for a newcomer, like if a 12 years old boy get in this place. Like if nobody knows anything about fenix, C, or game programming. One of the powerfull features of div/fenix/bennu is easy-programming languaje, so almost everybody can use it. I think What can i do with Bennu? into this section should be right too. With some ingame snapshots of some bennu developed games. Here the perfect should be a video with not large duration that gives a clear idea of bennu potential.

[Sandman]

I think wiki on english is right. Wiki multilingual is too much work and hard to get updated at same time.

Anyway official documentation about how bennu works must be on spanish too.

But the wiki is the official documentation, or what do you mean?

Another issue:

what is bennu? section i think is not correctly designed. I think this section is what newcomers will click first. And newcomers searching for a new way to develop games will not get a clear idea. i mean, "Bennu, a Fenix fork from Fenix 0.93" this for a newcomer that doesnt come from fenix means "ohm, and what is fenix?" and google-search-fenix 0.93. Maybe newcomers see clearest on google than still navigating on bennu´s  page and finnaly decides to continue "googling"

I think this What is bennu? link  must describe What is Bennu for a newcomer, like if a 12 years old boy get in this place. Like if nobody knows anything about fenix, C, or game programming. One of the powerfull features of div/fenix/bennu is easy-programming languaje, so almost everybody can use it. I think What can i do with Bennu? into this section should be right too. With some ingame snapshots of some bennu developed games. Here the perfect should be a video with not large duration that gives a clear idea of bennu potential.

I agree fully. These parts can be multilingual and are in fact useful in various languages.

[Foni]

I think wiki on english is right. Wiki multilingual is too much work and hard to get updated at same time.

Anyway official documentation about how bennu works must be on spanish too.

But the wiki is the official documentation, or what do you mean?

I mean the official documentation that will be included in the first official release. The offline documentation,included on the final version.

I believe the perfect solution will be a package with ide+documentation in spanish and another with ide+documentation in english for international community.Main download in english, with spanish download like alternative.